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Replied on: 11/18/2009 09:19:45
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Reply author: Steve Su
Replied on: 11/18/2009 10:50:16
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Reply author: hawkeye
Replied on: 11/18/2009 18:36:54
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Reply author: rockitten
Replied on: 11/18/2009 18:57:53
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F-16A/B's small engine inlet and analog flight control will make it hard to become"same as C/D"
If Taiwan really have that upgrade, why not "¶¶«K" upgrade IDF's radar and fire control to fire AIM-120 and AIM-9X instead of TC-2 and TC-1 as well??
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Reply author: adrain
Replied on: 11/18/2009 19:48:59
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Reply author: Steve Su
Replied on: 11/19/2009 09:57:28
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Replied on: 11/19/2009 10:09:42
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so is there any plan to upgrade IDF with that package as well???
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Reply author: Steve Su
Replied on: 11/19/2009 12:36:13
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Replied on: 11/19/2009 13:17:34
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too bad there will be no AIM-9X and AIM-120 for IDF.....
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but it is funny to see that even IDF have digital flight control but F-16A/B BLK20 doesn't.......
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Replied on: 11/20/2009 08:46:54
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Reply author: blackknight
Replied on: 11/21/2009 04:46:07
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Originally posted by Steve Su
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too bad there will be no AIM-9X and AIM-120 for IDF.....
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but it is funny to see that even IDF have digital flight control but F-16A/B BLK20 doesn't.......
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Reply author: Steve Su
Replied on: 11/22/2009 10:45:41
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Reply author: toga
Replied on: 11/22/2009 11:45:00
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Reply author: Steve Su
Replied on: 11/22/2009 12:10:42
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Reply author: Reinherd Von Hwang´£·þ
Replied on: 11/22/2009 13:28:35
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Reply author: Steve Su
Replied on: 11/22/2009 13:51:27
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Radar Warning Receiver (RWR)
Reply author: chinyu
Replied on: 11/22/2009 14:36:01
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve Su
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Reply author: Steve Su
Replied on: 11/22/2009 16:45:51
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Replied on: 11/22/2009 17:50:09
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the analog flight control cannot connect with the sharpshooter pod to achieve terrain following autopilot, which will be critical to the land attack capacity of taiwanese air force....
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Reply author: Steve Su
Replied on: 11/22/2009 20:44:14
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Replied on: 11/23/2009 08:06:05
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Reply author: dasha
Replied on: 11/23/2009 09:18:00
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Reply author: rockitten
Replied on: 11/23/2009 10:41:48
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quote:
Originally posted by dasha
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Then you are virtually replacing all avionics on the plane, because you have to change all "mother board" and "bus card" already.....
By the way, that is more worries for me:
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1. I don't trust the quality of "cheaper bid" from Taiwanese defense forces at all
2. Even not the whole navy, all F-16 and TK1/2, Pawe Claw...etc have Link-16.......
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Reply author: dasha
Replied on: 11/23/2009 10:59:05
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Reply author: Luke-Skywalker
Replied on: 11/25/2009 18:24:43
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http://n.yam.com/cna/politics/200911/20091125197378.html
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Reply author: Luke-Skywalker
Replied on: 12/10/2009 18:12:12
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http://n.yam.com/cna/international/200912/20091210787770.html
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Reply author: over55Stars
Replied on: 12/13/2009 23:18:21
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quote:
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Replied on: 01/06/2010 12:21:47
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Replied on: 01/06/2010 12:26:55
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Replied on: 01/06/2010 16:13:51
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Reply author: Steve Su
Replied on: 01/06/2010 17:24:10
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Replied on: 01/06/2010 21:22:47
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Replied on: 01/07/2010 17:08:04
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Replied on: 01/07/2010 17:28:25
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1.Processing fee for US-visa
2.Import tax and registration fee for Taiwanese printed materials, and food products (which mostly ended up in chinatown)
3.The "transit" arrangement of Taiwanese president in USA
4.Other diplomatic support from US to Taiwan
5.The progress of TIFA/FTA talks with Taiwan
6.Transfer their government, OEM/ODM orders/licensing to South Korean and Singaporean Companies
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Reply author: roger011
Replied on: 01/07/2010 17:40:49
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1.Processing fee for US-visa
2.Import tax and registration fee for Taiwanese printed materials, and food products (which mostly ended up in chinatown)
3.The "transit" arrangement of Taiwanese president in USA
4.Other diplomatic support from US to Taiwan
5.The progress of TIFA/FTA talks with Taiwan
6.Transfer their government, OEM/ODM orders/licensing to South Korean and Singaporean Companies
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In short, Taiwan has much more need from US than US from Taiwan, so US just need to be less proactive to provide assistance is enough to give Taiwan a really hard time........
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Replied on: 01/07/2010 18:44:18
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Replied on: 01/07/2010 18:58:40
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Reply author: Steve Su
Replied on: 01/08/2010 14:41:56
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Replied on: 01/08/2010 19:40:48
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Replied on: 01/08/2010 23:15:15
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Replied on: 01/09/2010 13:05:42
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Replied on: 01/11/2010 15:24:56
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Reply author: Steve Su
Replied on: 01/14/2010 14:46:01
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Reply author: vincentlan8
Replied on: 01/14/2010 22:26:49
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Asking additional 66 F16C/D is just an excuss for Taiwan. Taiwan just want to know weather US will support Ma Adminastration as much as before. Upgrade 146 existing F16 will do the same work. A smart government should upgrade the existing F16 fleet first, 8 2nd hand long-hull Perry class frigates (equip with SQR-19 towed linear passive hydrophone array), and few numbers of MHC-51 Osprey class minesweeper as soon as possible. These stuff cost less or around the same amount than those 66 F16C/D and the most important thing is that these stuff are "MUCH LESS" sensitive issue when it compared to those C/D. Be more realistic, F5 is still useful and functional. AIDC need works to feed her employees, so let it become a chance to upgrade all IDF fleet at the same time also.
Few years later, before the F16 production line close, US government will automatically ask Taiwan to get 66 F16C/D block52, because US government will say "The sale of these aircraft will not affect the military balance in this region and becasue Taiwan has already owned and operate F16C/D (upgraded from A/B), there is no difficult to maintain her original fleet.
Conclusion, we will get what we want but right now is not the time yet. Don't mass up the sequence. Learn how to ride a bicycle before getting a motocycle is a simple answer to it.
Reply author: Steve Su
Replied on: 01/14/2010 23:16:42
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White House OKs Taiwan arms packageRate this story
By Bill Gertz
The Obama administration has agreed to sell a new package of arms to Taiwan in a move that is expected to be met with an angry response from China, according to U.S. officials.
The long-delayed arms package will include offers of sales of UH-60 Black Hawk military helicopters and additional Patriot PAC-3 missile defenses, but not additional F-16 jets that the island's government has sought to modernize its air forces, according to congressional and administration officials.
Additionally, the Taiwanese military will be offered defense communications equipment, said officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information.
One official familiar with the discussions said the F-16 sale was rejected as "too provocative" to the Chinese.
A Taiwan diplomatic source said the F-16s were needed to replace aging warplanes and because the production line for the jet could be closed soon.
The last major arms package offered to Taiwan was announced in October 2008 and triggered China's severing of military relations with the Pentagon, a centerpiece of Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates' policy of engagement with Beijing. Military ties have resumed gradually, but remain strained.
Chinese government spokesmen have said repeatedly that U.S. support for Taiwan remains the most significant cause of friction between Washington and Beijing.
A formal notification to Congress is expected in the next several days, but Pentagon officials verbally notified congressional leaders in the past several days. Officials confirmed the new arms package after it was first reported by the Associated Press.
The Black Hawks were requested before the October arms sale package, which included Apache attack helicopters and Patriot PAC-3s that were part of a $6.5 billion deal.
China's military buildup, according to the Pentagon's report to Congress last year, includes development of new advanced ballistic and cruise missiles that would be used to attack U.S. Navy warships if they were called on to defend Taiwan from a mainland attack.
China has deployed more than 1,000 missiles within striking distance of Taiwan and despite improved relations between Taiwan and China, China's government has refused requests by the Taipei government to withdraw some of the missiles as a goodwill gesture.
China and the United States remain at odds over U.S. arms sales to the island nation that Beijing views as a breakaway province.
The United States, under the 1979 Taiwan Relations Act, is authorized to sell defensive weapons to Taiwan and also to defend the island should the mainland launch an attack.
Chinese nationalists fled the mainland to Taiwan during a civil war between Communists and nationalists. China has said that it is willing to use force to retake the island but that it prefers to reunite peacefully.
The law was passed after the United States switched formal diplomatic recognition from the island to the mainland.
China opposes the arms sales and has stated that the weapons transfers violate the three U.S.-China communiques, one of which says arms sales are supposed to end.
President Obama issued a statement in October 2008, when he was a candidate for president, supporting the arms sales.
The new arms are part of a U.S. offer to supply a total of $11 million in weapons and military equipment that was first offered under President George W. Bush in 2001.
The weapons announcements have been made periodically in an effort to limit the political fallout and to avoid upsetting the Chinese, the officials said.
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Reply author: ®üx¤§¤l
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More interesting development on the F-16s
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jan/28/inside-the-ring-90243648/
Taiwan air threats
Included in the Obama administration's latest arms package for Taiwan will be authorization for a joint U.S.-Taiwan feasibility study on bolstering air power against the threats to the island posed by Chinese missiles and aircraft, according to U.S. officials.
The administration put off actual sales of newer F-16s, but if the study, which will be conducted rapidly, determines that the jets are needed, they will be authorized in the coming months, said officials familiar with the arms deal who spoke on the condition of anonymity.
This sounds like Mr. Obama is going to handle the F-16 issue the same way as he handled the Afghan controversy......
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U.S. Prepares New Taiwan Arms Package Despite Beijing Hysterics
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Published: 26 Jan 2010 13:52
Taipei - The U.S. appears unwilling to stop selling arms to Taiwan despite aggressive lobbying and pressure from China.
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Reply author: cobrachen
Replied on: 10/08/2010 23:53:21
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Reply author: MACOS8
Replied on: 10/09/2010 01:56:11
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Reply author: Steve Su
Replied on: 10/09/2010 06:44:00
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Reply author: Steve Su
Replied on: 10/09/2010 06:57:53
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Reply author: MACOS8
Replied on: 10/09/2010 07:49:28
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Reply author: Bryan C
Replied on: 10/09/2010 12:46:44
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Those couple of S-300 batteries/battalions would be deal by ROC Army LT-2000 in those offshore islands first, to open the flood gate.......
Reply author: dasha
Replied on: 10/09/2010 16:30:50
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Replied on: 10/21/2010 20:40:15
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400 Harpoon and 600 HARM, while only 500 AIM-120C-7 and 300 AIM-9X----Israel going to be hopping mad....
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Replied on: 11/01/2010 09:27:42
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Reply author: SK2
Replied on: 11/01/2010 10:42:32
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Originally posted by Bryan C
400 Harpoon and 600 HARM, while only 500 AIM-120C-7 and 300 AIM-9X----Israel going to be hopping mad....
Won't be so mad, as Israelis are so experienced with the Harpoons that they modified it with their own seekers and "payload", while the HARM could also be quite harmless on this experienced user, again.
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Reply author: Luke-Skywalker
Replied on: 04/02/2011 11:09:59
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Reply author: Steve Su
Replied on: 04/02/2011 23:16:40
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Replied on: 05/06/2011 17:57:58
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Reply author: Luke-Skywalker
Replied on: 05/12/2011 23:45:20
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http://tw.news.yahoo.com/article/url/d/a/110512/19/2rfsc.html
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Reply author: usualjoy
Replied on: 05/12/2011 23:53:17
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quote:
Originally posted by Luke-Skywalker
http://tw.news.yahoo.com/article/url/d/a/110512/19/2rfsc.html
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Reply author: Luke-Skywalker
Replied on: 05/12/2011 23:57:18
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Originally posted by usualjoy
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Reply author: Luke-Skywalker
Replied on: 05/19/2011 20:15:51
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http://n.yam.com/cna/politics/201105/20110519093438.html
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Reply author: Luke-Skywalker
Replied on: 05/28/2011 09:39:01
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http://tw.news.yahoo.com/article/url/d/a/110527/19/2s9a5.html
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http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=6634106&c=ASI&s=TOP
Senator: Broad Support for F-16 Sales to Taiwan
AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE
Published: 26 May 2011 13:19
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Reply author: Luke-Skywalker
Replied on: 06/05/2011 09:19:35
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http://udn.com/NEWS/WORLD/WOR6/6380077.shtml
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Reply author: pcgamer
Replied on: 06/05/2011 11:33:51
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http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/05/27/3110290/f-16s-long-run-may-finally-be.html
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Reply author: change.she
Replied on: 06/05/2011 11:39:13
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Reply author: MACOS8
Replied on: 06/05/2011 12:10:27
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Reply author: rockitten
Replied on: 06/05/2011 14:14:36
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quote:
Originally posted by pcgamer
http://www.star-telegram.com/2011/05/27/3110290/f-16s-long-run-may-finally-be.html
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what makes me notice is that, none of them (from LM to industry analysis) are expecting there is really a F-16 sale to Taiwan soon or if there is one at all.........
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Reply author: Luke-Skywalker
Replied on: 06/06/2011 09:16:03
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http://n.yam.com/cna/international/201106/20110606771331.html
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Reply author: pcgamer
Replied on: 06/06/2011 10:32:58
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³o½g·s»D´£¨ìªºdefense newsì¤å³ø¾É¦bþ¡H³o½g¤¤¥¡ªÀ³ø¾É«ç»ò¬Ý´N¬O«ç»ò©Ç........
Reply author: rockitten
Replied on: 06/06/2011 12:06:04
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quote:
Originally posted by pcgamer
³o½g·s»D´£¨ìªºdefense newsì¤å³ø¾É¦bþ¡H³o½g¤¤¥¡ªÀ³ø¾É«ç»ò¬Ý´N¬O«ç»ò©Ç........
well, some article may not be available on free online version (or online much later), but I personally still doubt if this news a dud or "story"......
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especially when election is comming
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Reply author: Luke-Skywalker
Replied on: 06/06/2011 23:24:12
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Taiwan Happy With U.S. Senate Push for F-16 Sale
AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE
Published: 29 May 2011 22:16
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=6663156&c=ASI&s=ALL
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Reply author: pcgamer
Replied on: 06/07/2011 09:08:31
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quote:
Originally posted by Luke-Skywalker
Taiwan Happy With U.S. Senate Push for F-16 Sale
AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE
Published: 29 May 2011 22:16
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=6663156&c=ASI&s=ALL
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Reply author: Luke-Skywalker
Replied on: 06/16/2011 11:14:19
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http://n.yam.com/cna/international/201106/20110616187456.html
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Reply author: Luke-Skywalker
Replied on: 06/22/2011 00:02:54
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http://n.yam.com/cna/politics/201106/20110621395192.html
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Reply author: Luke-Skywalker
Replied on: 06/22/2011 16:27:43
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http://n.yam.com/cna/politics/201106/20110622423555.html
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Reply author: Reinherd Von Hwang´£·þ
Replied on: 06/22/2011 23:23:03
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Reply author: Bryan C
Replied on: 06/22/2011 23:48:23
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The 66 F-16C/D is supposed to replace the void created when the last wing of F-5E/F retires in the next few years.
So if the Tai-tung based F-5E/F retires and the 66 F-16C/D isn't in Taiwan, then there will be a fighter wing short for ROCAF.....
Reply author: Dlin2000
Replied on: 06/22/2011 23:56:56
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Reply author: BlueWhaleMoon
Replied on: 06/23/2011 09:12:52
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quote:
Originally posted by Bryan C
The 66 F-16C/D is supposed to replace the void created when the last wing of F-5E/F retires in the next few years.
So if the Pingtung based F-5E/F retires and the 66 F-16C/D isn't in Taiwan, then there will be a fighter wing short for ROCAF.....
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Reply author: BlueWhaleMoon
Replied on: 06/23/2011 09:14:23
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quote:
Originally posted by Dlin2000quote:
Originally posted by Reinherd Von Hwang´£·þ
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Reply author: toga
Replied on: 06/23/2011 12:55:06
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Replied on: 06/24/2011 12:43:10
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Replied on: 06/24/2011 19:40:46
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Replied on: 06/24/2011 21:45:37
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from KMT's behavior on even some really good deals (such as the Kidd's sale), it is obvious that, their boycott in the legislative yuen is more about not letting DPP government has any achievement/credit in Taiwan's military development/upgrade. KMT assume that, once they back in power, they can still buy them (F-16CD, SSK.....etc) and so "this is how to play politics". But unfortunately for KMT, the situation of the outside world totally go unexpected.....
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so now, it is US telling KMT "it is how to play politics".....
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Replied on: 06/24/2011 21:46:52
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many of the aircraft is for attrition replacements when Taiwan is fighting with the huge (in size) chi na air force.
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So, even chi na times report that "¨ä¥L¿W¥ßªº®ø®§¨Ó·½" (wikileak) from US did mentioned something similar to " it is ¥xÆW®Ú¥»¨S´£LRO"
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Consider how many "action" from KMT try not to "anger" chi na, I won't be surprise if Ma really not so keen on F-16CD and SSK
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Replied on: 06/25/2011 09:23:42
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Reply author: bloodrose
Replied on: 06/27/2011 15:51:15
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Replied on: 06/27/2011 17:08:13
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Reply author: Captain Picard
Replied on: 06/27/2011 17:15:15
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Reply author: rockitten
Replied on: 06/27/2011 22:59:14
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Well, because the SSK is much more hard to get (and much more rate opportunity to have a chance to get), so it should have a higher priority than F-16.
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I still think Taiwan will get the F-16CD someday, but I totally wonder if Taiwan can get the SSK after that opportunity has missed.......
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Reply author: hwp2003
Replied on: 06/28/2011 11:16:09
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Reply author: pcgamer
Replied on: 06/28/2011 16:03:46
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¬ü°ê°ê¨¾·s»Dªº³ø¾É¡GU.S. Blocks Taiwan's F-16 Request Again
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"The issue has become a Catch-22 for Taiwan, in which TECRO cannot submit an LoR to AIT because it is under State Department orders to deny it, and then TECRO is told by the State Department that the LoR cannot be processed because it was not received, he said."
"Pro-Taiwan groups in Washington are urging Taiwan to formally request the right to resubmit the LoR before the opportunity passes.
"They need to [resubmit] if they're going to take advantage of this window," said Rupert Hammond-Chambers, president of the U.S.-Taiwan Business Council. "If they do nothing, the moment will pass." "
" "They have submitted an LoR on three occasions and had it rejected," said Mark Stokes, a former U.S. defense official, now with the Project 2049 Institute. He said this is one reason the U.S. and Taiwan should bring back the annual arms sales talks held between 1982 and 2001.
"At least Taiwan could make its requests formally" to the U.S. government, he said. "
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Reply author: toga
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Reply author: hwp2003
Replied on: 06/28/2011 19:49:34
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Reply author: Luke-Skywalker
Replied on: 06/29/2011 10:14:04
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quote:
Originally posted by hwp2003
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U.S. Blocks Taiwan's F-16 Request Again
By WENDELL MINNICK
Published: 27 Jun 2011 14:09
TAIPEI - Taiwan's June 24 petition to submit a letter of request (LoR) for new F-16 fighter jets was blocked by the U.S. State Department under orders from the U.S. National Security Council, sources in Taipei and Washington said.
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Reply author: BlueWhaleMoon
Replied on: 06/29/2011 22:30:35
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Reply author: toga
Replied on: 06/29/2011 22:39:35
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Reply author: BlueWhaleMoon
Replied on: 06/29/2011 23:08:41
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Originally posted by toga
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Reply author: Reich
Replied on: 06/29/2011 23:15:35
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Reply author: rockitten
Replied on: 06/29/2011 23:31:18
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quote:
Originally posted by toga
1. ²{¥ô¬F©²ªº°ê¨¾³¡¤£¬O¤½¶}§_»{¦³n°eLOR¤F¡H¡H
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I am more interested on what is the reason for not accepting the LOR? In the past KMT blame it is because DPP, then they are now in power but still get rejected......
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anyone interested to make a pool and bat if Obama have his 2nd term and will he approve that on his last year?
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Reply author: BlueWhaleMoon
Replied on: 06/29/2011 23:39:19
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quote:
Originally posted by rockittenquote:
Originally posted by toga
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I am more interested on what is the reason for not accepting the LOR? In the past KMT blame it is because DPP, then they are now in power but still get rejected......
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anyone interested to make a pool and bat if Obama have his 2nd term and will he approve that on his last year?
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Reply author: rockitten
Replied on: 06/29/2011 23:47:47
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quote:
Originally posted by BlueWhaleMoonquote:
Originally posted by toga
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The thing puzzle me is that if that news on defense news is right, even the F-16A/B upgrade, which is outside chi na's so called "red line", is blocked....... And that is strange as that can be sold to Taiwan in "small projects" in terms of parts & services and go beneath the radar of State department's veto.
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Reply author: rockitten
Replied on: 06/29/2011 23:57:49
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quote:
Originally posted by BlueWhaleMoonquote:
Originally posted by rockittenquote:
Originally posted by toga
1. ²{¥ô¬F©²ªº°ê¨¾³¡¤£¬O¤½¶}§_»{¦³n°eLOR¤F¡H¡H
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I am more interested on what is the reason for not accepting the LOR? In the past KMT blame it is because DPP, then they are now in power but still get rejected......
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anyone interested to make a pool and bat if Obama have his 2nd term and will he approve that on his last year?
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the pretext of that is: assume if that news is true, which I will be very careful to jump into that conclusion as that "sources in Taipei and Washington said", may that Taipei source be the newspaper in Taiwan.........which has happened before
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Reply author: Captain Picard
Replied on: 06/30/2011 17:30:51
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>sources in Taipei and Washington said"
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Reply author: rockitten
Replied on: 06/30/2011 19:31:13
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quote:
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>sources in Taipei and Washington said"
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especially when that "Á`²Î¡G¬O¬ü°ên§Ú¤£n´£±ÄÁÊF-16C/D»Ý¨D" was published on Taiwan's news paper on 24th June and then that news on defense news was publish 3 days later (27th June).....
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Reply author: hwp2003
Replied on: 07/01/2011 10:27:46
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http://www.cna.com.tw/ShowNews/Detail.aspx?pNewsID=201107010037&pType1=PF&pType0=aALL&pTypeSel=&pPNo=1¥x¬ü¦³¦@ÃÑ ¤~´£F16n»ù®Ñ
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Reply author: Captain Picard
Replied on: 07/01/2011 11:47:27
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quote:
Originally posted by rockittenquote:
Originally posted by toga
1. ²{¥ô¬F©²ªº°ê¨¾³¡¤£¬O¤½¶}§_»{¦³n°eLOR¤F¡H¡H
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I am more interested on what is the reason for not accepting the LOR? In the past KMT blame it is because DPP, then they are now in power but still get rejected......
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anyone interested to make a pool and bat if Obama have his 2nd term and will he approve that on his last year?
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Reply author: hwp2003
Replied on: 07/02/2011 08:10:29
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Reply author: rockitten
Replied on: 07/02/2011 11:19:04
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Originally posted by toga
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I am more interested on what is the reason for not accepting the LOR? In the past KMT blame it is because DPP, then they are now in power but still get rejected......
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anyone interested to make a pool and bat if Obama have his 2nd term and will he approve that on his last year?
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I am not that worry about F-16C/D as there are plenty of 2nd F-16 even if the production line has been closed. It is the SSK is a real sorrow for me
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Reply author: Captain Picard
Replied on: 07/02/2011 11:31:45
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>It is the SSK is a real sorrow for me
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Reply author: toga
Replied on: 07/07/2011 09:28:39
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Reply author: hwp2003
Replied on: 07/18/2011 08:18:18
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Reply author: toga
Replied on: 07/18/2011 15:20:03
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Reply author: pcgamer
Replied on: 07/18/2011 15:37:44
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Reply author: rockitten
Replied on: 07/18/2011 20:22:20
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well, Taiwanese AF did tried the "give up the last RF-101C to "apply pressure" for RF-4C and F-4D approval, and the outcome is.......
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Back to the F-16 case, this news on 6/7/2011 seems indicating that KMT is finding "reasons" for not approving the upgrade or ........US not approving the upgrade.......
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Reply author: Captain Picard
Replied on: 07/19/2011 00:15:03
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Replied on: 07/19/2011 10:00:25
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Reply author: SleeplessPrometheus
Replied on: 07/19/2011 10:14:58
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Reply author: dasha
Replied on: 07/19/2011 13:47:51
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Reply author: pcgamer
Replied on: 07/19/2011 16:21:47
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Reply author: rockitten
Replied on: 07/19/2011 21:26:17
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well, but consider the bad record of many °Ñ¿Ñ in the defense force, such as the analogue flight control of the F-16, the portable nitrogen maker, or the M-41D upgrade............ sometimes it is hard to not complaining.
However, those ¥ß©e also lack the required knowledge (or, they lacks reliable advisers) and so their "¼u¨ð" or "¬å»ù" is nothing more than "house wife style bargain at food stores" rather than any real analysis.........
And that's why there will be some stupid NT$200million (equal to less than 7million US$" to draft design a new SSK..........those ¥ß©e better have a look how much a engineering consultation firm in US charging customers........just 1 engineer can charge you more than US$200 per hour........
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Replied on: 07/21/2011 00:04:41
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Replied on: 07/21/2011 14:10:20
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Replied on: 07/22/2011 16:13:42
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Or Ma and KMT knows the new rules that exist since 2001/2003, just didn't want to go through with it, or pretend not knowing the rules has changed, and use it to muddle the water.....
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Case in point, no official list of funding from Taiwan(not to mention no frozen funding by LY, or just trickle funding by LY), nothing US will do or accept.....
Also F-16C/D request is blocked by US, since GW Bush was waiting for the P-3C, Patriot and SSK funding to go through, then US will talk about the 66 F-16C/D. But, KMT killed the Patriot via national referendum for 3 years, P-3C funding was cut or frozen to a trickle that all those 15 P-3C airframes already picked for ROCN Aviation in 2002/2003 were all later found rotten down to the frame by 2009/2010 and became totally unsuitable to certify again for airworthy condition by USAF at the desert boneyard and had to use trucks to move them to the factories. Then the SSK project never got off ground due to LY cut the small amount needed for initial study funding down to the bone that USN couldn't even keep the project office open.
How would US know if the 66 F-16C/D deal will be drag through the mud again for years and years like the P-3C, Patriot and SSK projects? Would US feel left holding the bag again, after taking all the political heats again from China????
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Replied on: 08/01/2011 22:26:24
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Originally posted by hawkeye
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Nearly all military gear in Taiwan's defense force has the issue of "¤U¤@¥N¥D¤OXX«Ø®×¦bþ":
1. SSK
2. Knox
3. The whole fleet of landing crafts and support vessels
4. Most SAM except TK1/2 and Patriot PAC2/3
5. F-5E/F
6. M-48/60
7. C-130
8. the sea hawks
9. AT-3 and T-34
10. M-109
and more
Thanks to KMT, Taiwan defense force wasted 10 years without any major upgrade/replacements except the Kidds and has a big crash over project schedules and funding now.
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Those replacement programme currently underway, from army "garbage trucks", Army communication system, missile boat, or the army helicopters..... they aren't going on-track as well.......
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Replied on: 08/02/2011 09:25:56
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Replied on: 08/02/2011 09:51:12
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Reply author: Bryan C
Replied on: 08/02/2011 09:56:28
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There's already a backup plan in existence----IDF F-CK-1C/D. But, a big but, Ma and KMT might just say there's no money.... Same with if US says Taiwan can have the 66 F-16C/D tomorrow, Ma and KMT might just say no money as excuse....
Alternate options are (brand new birds) F-15SE, F/A-18E/F, used/refurbished F/A-18C/D(not likely) or F/A-18A/B(some left in the boneyard), or go for used/refurbished F-16A/B MLU(might be the only option left)......
Reply author: Captain Picard
Replied on: 08/02/2011 13:29:46
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Replied on: 08/02/2011 13:59:25
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Replied on: 08/02/2011 15:15:58
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Reply author: n2688261
Replied on: 08/02/2011 17:48:40
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Reply author: rockitten
Replied on: 08/02/2011 19:10:58
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his "professional advisers" compare a license build in India with design a new model special for Taiwan and rate it cheaper...... how genius they are.....
Or, why his "professional advisers" never mention the much more similar Collins class case............
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Reply author: rockitten
Replied on: 08/02/2011 19:18:37
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At the time of debate about should Taiwan buy the Kidds or not, some ¥ß©e even referencing those "US$1 for HAWK" stories 40+ years ago as an "evidence" of US should military aid to Taiwan as "Taiwan is so important".........
Another unrealistic comment at that time is Taiwan should go straight to purchase AEGIS ship instead................
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Reply author: mw2006y
Replied on: 08/03/2011 00:46:21
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Reply author: pcgamer
Replied on: 08/03/2011 08:20:09
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Reply author: MikeH
Replied on: 08/03/2011 11:13:49
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Reply author: hawkeye
Replied on: 08/03/2011 16:12:33
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Reply author: Bryan C
Replied on: 08/03/2011 16:33:31
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Plan C was 120 Mirage 2000E/F, but the contract with 150 F-16 was signed first, so both IDF and Mirage deal was cut back in half......
Mirage 2000-5 and IDF was never 60+60 and 130+120, but was 120 and 250.....
As for now, 70 new IDF F-CK-1C/D is possible, if no 66 F-16C/D by 2012-2015----those Tai-tung AB F-5E/F just can't wait that long....
Reply author: Luke-Skywalker
Replied on: 08/15/2011 15:47:18
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http://news.chinatimes.com/politics/130502/132011081500702.html
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U.S. To Deny Taiwan New F-16 Fighters
Offers AESA Radar in Upgrade for Older Jets
By WENDELL MINNICK
Published: 14 Aug 2011 12:00
TAIPEI - Bowing to Chinese pressure, the U.S. will deny Taiwan's request for 66 new F-16C/D fighter aircraft, a Taiwan Ministry of National Defense (MND) official said.
"We are so disappointed in the United States," he said.
A U.S. Department of Defense (DoD) delegation arrived here last week to deliver the news and offer instead a retrofit package for older F-16A/Bs that includes an active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar.
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Reply author: SleeplessPrometheus
Replied on: 08/15/2011 16:53:26
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Reply author: rockitten
Replied on: 08/15/2011 23:15:32
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Originally posted by SleeplessPrometheus
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Well, true for air to air, but AGM-88 and JSDM are still missing, and the analog flight control still cannot link-up with the navigation pod to achieve terrain-following auto pilot......so this upgrade is still useless for hunting chi na's missile launchers
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In short, it is showing "who's the boss"...............
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some news has indicated that only half of the F-16A/B will be upgraded............
So it seems Taiwan's budget (or, the budget they are willing to pay) is one of the main constrain..........
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Replied on: 08/19/2011 12:15:14
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Reply author: toga
Replied on: 08/19/2011 12:48:19
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Reply author: Bryan C
Replied on: 08/19/2011 14:13:11
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And there's a 50-50 chance ROCAF will pick a different radar than USAF will pick----the "former" back channel in DoD that's friendly to Taiwan has been told to "ice it" for the last 2 years......
Conformed it with a USN Capt over dinner that used to post in Pentagon that over seen Far East Asia activities....
Reply author: usualjoy
Replied on: 08/19/2011 17:03:16
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Originally posted by Bryan C
And there's a 50-50 chance ROCAF will pick a different radar than USAF will pick----the "former" back channel in DoD that's friendly to Taiwan has been told to "ice it" for the last 2 years......
Conformed it with a USN Capt over dinner that used to post in Pentagon that over seen Far East Asia activities....
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Replied on: 08/19/2011 17:19:55
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Reply author: Bryan C
Replied on: 08/19/2011 23:24:09
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TC-2, SLQ-17, and others....
Even in Taiwan/ROCAF's 150 F-16 A/B block 20, the PW engine selection was going against USAF trend(or shall I say USAF strong suggestion at the time)----USAF was fielding pretty much GE engines after Block 30.....
Reply author: darkmoon
Replied on: 08/20/2011 01:58:45
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TC-2, SLQ-17, and others....
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Reply author: ryan2181
Replied on: 08/20/2011 05:19:26
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Reply author: Bryan C
Replied on: 08/20/2011 09:04:16
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As for systems that Taiwan ordered first, then later used/selected by US military, SLQ-32's Sidekick, F-16 A/B Block 20's color displays and flight mission computers, and S-70C(M)-1/2 that combined both systems of SH-60B and SH-60F(SH-60B's radar and sonobuoy dispenser and SH-60F's dipping sonar), which years later evolved into SH-60R for USN.....
Reply author: kumachan
Replied on: 08/20/2011 18:29:40
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Replied on: 08/20/2011 20:50:42
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Replied on: 08/20/2011 23:52:40
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Reply author: rockitten
Replied on: 08/21/2011 00:03:22
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Reply author: hellyhappt
Replied on: 08/21/2011 16:51:13
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Reply author: rockitten
Replied on: 08/21/2011 21:26:14
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Reply author: marksmanorz
Replied on: 08/22/2011 15:40:51
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and S-70C(M)-1/2 that combined both systems of SH-60B and SH-60F(SH-60B's radar and sonobuoy dispenser and SH-60F's dipping sonar), which years later evolved into SH-60R for USN.....
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Reply author: ian125
Replied on: 08/22/2011 20:21:54
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Replied on: 08/22/2011 21:35:11
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Replied on: 08/28/2011 14:06:03
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On June 28/06, the US DSCA notified Congress via a series of releases of its intention to provide Pakistan with a $5.1 billion Foreign Military Sales package to upgrade the F-16s that serve as the PAF¡¦s top of the line fighters. Some of these items had been put on hold following the October 2005 earthquake in Pakistan & Kashmir, but the request for 36 new F-16 Block 50/52s is now going ahead, along with new weapons, engine modifications, and upgrade kits for Pakistan¡¦s older F-16 A/Bs. The buy went through, and was accompanied by the supply of 26 older F-16s from USAF surplus stocks.
These items are detailed below, along with controversies the proposed sales have created, and some of the conditions attached to the sale by the US government¡K
•Item 1: 36 New F-16 Block 50/52s ¡V $3 billion
•Item 2: Weapons for the New F-16s ¡V $650 Million
•Item 3: F-16A/B Mid-Life Update Modification Kits ¡V $1.3 billion
•Item 4: F-16A/B Engine Modifications & UP/STAR ¡V $151 Million
Item 1: 36 New F-16 Block 50/52s ¡V $3 billion
PAF F-16D Block 52
The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of up to 36 F-16C Block 50 and F-16D Block 52 two-seater aircraft ¡V a buy of 18 jets, with an option for another 18. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $3 billion.
The planes will be equipped with the APG-68(V)9 radars, which are the most modern F-16 radar except for the UAE¡¦s F-16E/F Block 60 ¡§Desert Falcons¡¨ and their AN/APG-80 AESA. The engine contract was less certain. Pakistan¡¦s existing F-16s use the Pratt & Whitney F100 engine, the new planes involved a competition between Pratt & Whitney¡¦s F100-PW-229 or General Electric¡¦s F110-GE-129 Increased Performance Engines (IPEs). Pratt & Whitney kept their customer, and supplied the new F-16s with their F100-PW-229 EEP variant.
The package for Pakistan¡¦s new F-16s also includes:
•7 spare F100-PW-229 EEP or F110-GE-129 IPE engines (F100-PW-229 EEP selected)
•7 spare APG-68(V)9 radar sets
•36 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS)
•36 AN/ARC-238 SINCGARS radios with HAVE QUICK I/II
•36 Conformal Fuel Tanks (pairs) that fit along the aircraft¡¦s sides to give them extra range
•36 Link-16 Multifunctional Information Distribution System-Low Volume Terminals; see tactical uses of MIDS-LVT Link 16 systems
•36 Global Positioning Systems (GPS) and Embedded GPS/Inertial Navigation Systems
•36 APX-113 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe Systems
•36 Advanced Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare (ALQ-211 AIDEW) Suites without Digital Radio Frequency Memory (picked); or AN/ALQ-184 Electronic Counter Measures pod without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-131 Electronic Counter Measures pod without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-187 Advanced Self-Protection Integrated Suites without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-178 Self-Protection Electronic Warfare Suites without DRFM
•1 Unit Level Trainer
•Associated support equipment, software development/integration, modification kits, capability to employ a wide variety of munitions, spares and repair parts, flight test instrumentation, publications and technical documentation, CONUS-personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor technical and logistics personnel services, and other related requirements to ensure full program supportability.
Item 2: Weapons for the New F-16s ¡V $650 Million
To equip those new F-16s, the Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of:
•500 AIM-120C5 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM)
•12 AMRAAM training missiles ¡V these have seeker warheads but lack engines
•200 AIM-9M-8/9 Sidewinder Short-Range Air-Air Missiles; they are the version before the fifth-generation AIM-9X.
•240 LAU-129/A Launchers ¡V these support AMRAAM or Sidewinder missiles.
•500 Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) Guidance Kits: GBU-31/38 Guided Bomb Unit (GBU) kits
•1,600 Enhanced Paveway GBU-12 (500 lb.) and GBU-24s (2,000 lb.) with dual laser/GPS guidance
•800 MK-82 500 pound General Purpose (GP) and MK-84 2,000 pound GP bombs
•700 BLU-109 2,000 pound bunker-buster bombs with the FMU-143 Fuse
•Associated support equipment, software development/integration, modification kits, capability to employ a wide variety of munitions, spares and repair parts, flight test instrumentation, publications and technical documentation, CONUS-personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor technical and logistics personnel services, and other related requirements to ensure full program supportability will also be provided.
The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $650 million.
Item 3: F-16A/B Mid-Life Update Modification Kits ¡V $1.3 billion
The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of 60 F-16A/B Mid-Life Update (MLU) modification and Falcon Star Structural Service Life Enhancement kits consisting of:
•APG-68v9 with Synthetic Aperture Radar or the APG-66(V)2 radar, which is a much smaller improvement on earlier F-16s. The APG-68 with SAR is far better at air to ground work, and can be used to monitor ground activity.
•Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS)
•AN/APX-113 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe Systems
•AN/ALE-47 Advanced Countermeasures Dispenser Systems
•Have Quick I/II Radios
•Link-16 Multifunctional Information Distribution System-Low Volume Terminals (MIDS-LVT)
•SNIPER (formerly known as AN/AAQ-33 PANTERA) targeting pod capability
•Reconnaissance pod capability
•Advanced Air Combat Maneuvering Instrumentation Units (used for training exercises)
•MDE included in the MLU modification and structural upgrade kits
•21 ALQ-131 Block II Electronic Countermeasures Pods without the Digital Radio Frequency Memory (DRFM); or ALQ-184 Electronic Countermeasures Pods without DRFM;
•60 ALQ-213 Electronic Warfare Management Systems;
•1 Unit Level Trainer; and
•10 APG-68v9 spare radar sets.
•Radars, modems, receivers, installation, avionics, spare and repair parts, support equipment, CONUS-personnel training and training equipment, technical assistance, publications and technical documentation, system drawings, U.S. Government and contractor engineering, and other related logistics elements necessary for full program support.
JHMCSThe total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $1.3 billion.
Item 4: F-16A/B Engine Modifications & UP/STAR ¡V $151 Million
F100 Engine TestThe third contract involves Engine Modifications and Falcon UP/STAR Structural Upgrades as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $151 million.
More specifically, the Government of Pakistan has requested engine improvements and structural modifications to its F-16 fleet, which includes a possible sale of:
•14 F100-PW-220E engines
•14 Falcon UP/STAR F-16 structural upgrade kits
•De-modification and preparation of 26 aircraft
•Support equipment, software development/integration, modification kits, spares and repair parts, flight test instrumentation, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor technical and logistics personnel services, and other related requirements to support the program.
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Replied on: 09/13/2011 17:44:40
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http://www.texasinsider.org/?p=52747
Cornyn, Menendez Push to Mandate Sale of F-16 Fighters to Taiwan
Legislation Would Bolster Ability of Our Longstanding Strategic Partner to Defend Itself
Texas Insider Report: WASHINGTON, D.C. ¡V U.S. Senators John Cornyn (R-TX) and Robert Menendez (D-NJ) today introduced legislation to require the Obama Administration to sell 66 new F-16C/D multirole fighter jets to Taiwan. The Taiwan Airpower Modernization Act of 2011 will help bring the United States into compliance with its legal obligations under the Taiwan Relations Act of 1979 to provide Taiwan with the military equipment it needs to maintain its self-defense capabilities.
¡§This sale is a win-win, in strengthening the national security of our friend Taiwan as well as our own, and supporting tens of thousands of jobs in the U.S.,¡¨ said Sen. Cornyn. ¡§Saying no here would mean granting Communist China substantial sway over American foreign policy, putting us on a very slippery slope.¡¨
¡§Providing the military resources Taiwan needs is in the vital security interest of Taiwan, the national security interest of the United States, and is compelled by the Taiwan Relations Act,¡¨ Sen. Menendez said. ¡§Taiwanese pilots flying Taiwanese fighter aircraft manufactured in the United States represent the best first line of defense for our democratic ally, and delaying the decision to sell F-16s to Taiwan could result in the closure of the F-16 production line, which would cost New Jersey 750 manufacturing jobs.¡¨
Several recent letters to the President have demonstrated overwhelming bipartisan congressional support for the sale of new F-16C/Ds to Taiwan. On August 1, 181 bipartisan House members sent a letter to President Obama calling on him to approve the sale of F-16 C/Ds to Taiwan. On May 26 a bipartisan letter signed by 45 Senators called on President Obama him to quickly notify Congress of the sale of 66 F-16C/Ds to Taiwan. Two other Senators have also written letters to the Administration in support of this sale.
A recent study done by a private consulting firm estimates that the sale of 66 new F-16 aircraft to Taiwan would generate approximately $8.7 billion in economic output and nearly 88,000 ¡¥person-years¡¦ of employment across the U.S.
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Posted at 06:03 PM ET, 09/16/2011
Taiwan getting F-16s refurbished
By Andrew Higgins and William Wan
The Obama administration has assembled an arms sales package to Taiwan that involves refurbishing the island¡¦s existing fleet of F-16 fighter jets but doesn't include any new F-16s, according to congressional staffers who were told of the plan Friday.
If no new jets are sold, the decision will be seen as a victory by Beijing, which has opposed any arms sales to Taiwan, and will infuriate Taipei. It has pressed since 2006 to acquire newer, more sophisticated F-16s.
Obama administration officials and congressional staff say the president has not officially ruled out in the sale of new F-16s, but because those new jets are not included in the new arms package, it is seen as unlikely to be authorized by military analysts and members of Congress.
The U.S. offer to modernize Taiwan¡¦s existing F-16s was widely expected and will likely be a bitter consolation prize for the island, which says it desperately needs the new planes in order to fortify an air force stocked with aging aircraft.
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=7704141&c=AME&s=AIR
WASHINGTON and TAPEI - According to a senior congressional aide, the Barack Obama administration has notified Congress that it does not plan to sell Taiwan new F-16 C/D fighter planes and, instead, will offer an F-16 A/B upgrade package.
According to the aide, State Department officials briefed key lawmakers and congressional staffers Sept. 16.
"The U.S. government does not comment on possible foreign military sales - including processes associated with them - unless formal congressional notification has taken place," a State Department spokesman said. "Meeting Taiwan's defense needs is a deep and enduring commitment of the United States, and this administration is committed to doing so under the terms of the Taiwan Relations Act (TRA). We authorized the sale of $6.4 billion in arms to Taiwan just last year."
According to one source, the official notification on the deal could be released by the Defense Security Cooperation Agency, the Defense Department office that oversees foreign arms sales, some time next week.
The decision by the White House is sure to upset several politicians on Capitol Hill, who have been pushing President Obama to release an $8 billion deal for 66 F-16C/D Block 50/52 fighter aircraft.
Earlier in the week, new legislation was introduced in the House and the Senate that if passed and signed into law, would mandate the F-16C/D sale.
U.S. Sens. John Cornyn, R-Texas, and Robert Menendez, D-N.J., introduced the Taiwan Airpower Modernization Act (TAMA) on Sept. 12 for congressional review.
"If the reports are true, today's capitulation to Communist China by the Obama Administration marks a sad day in American foreign policy, and it represents a slap in the face to a strong ally and long time friend," Cornyn said in a Sept. 16 statement.
On Sept. 14, Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Fla., chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, introduced a bill that also directs the sale of the F-16 C/D fighter aircraft to Taiwan and endorses a wide range of defense exports to the country.
The senior congressional aide predicted that Ros-Lehtinen's bill would pass the House, yet is unlikely to pass the Senate. In any event, Obama has the authority to veto the bill if it ever comes made it to his desk.
The decision by the Obama administration comes at an awkward time for U.S.-Taiwan military relations. The 11th U.S.-Taiwan Defense Industry Conference will be held Sept. 19-20 in Richmond, Va., with a high-level Taiwan military delegation attending. The U.S. State Department has announced for the first time that it will not attend this year.
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The Defense Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress today of a possible Foreign Military Sale to Oman of 18 F-16 Block 50/52 aircraft and associated equipment, parts, training and logistical support for an estimated cost of $3.5 Billion.
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A. 18 F-16 Block 50/52 aircraft.
B. 20 F100-PW-229 or F110-GE-129 Increased Performance Engines.
C. 36 LAU- 129/A Common Rail Launchers.
D. 24 APG-68(V)9 radar sets.
E. 20 M61 20mm Vulcan Cannons.
F. 22 AN/ARC-238 Single Channel Ground and Airborne Radio Systems with HAVE QUICK I/II.
G. 40 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems.
H. 36 LAU-117 MAVERICK Launchers.
I. 22 ALQ-211 Advanced Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare Suites (AIDEWS) or Advanced Countermeasures Electronic Systems (ACES).
J. Advanced Identification Friend or Foe (AIFF) Systems with Mode IV.
K. 34 Global Positioning Systems (GPS) and Embedded-GPS/Inertial Navigation Systems (INS).
L. 18 AN/AAQ-33 SNIPER Targeting Pods or similarly capable system.
M. 4 DB-110 Reconnaissance Pods (RECCE).
N. 22 AN/ALE-47 Countermeasures Dispensing Systems (CMDS).
O. 35 ALE-50 Towed Decoys.
Also included is the upgrade of the existing 12 F-16 Block 50/52 aircraft, site survey, support equipment, tanker support, ferry services, Cartridge Actuated Devices/Propellant Actuated Devices (CAD/PAD), conformal fuel tanks, construction, modification kits, repair and return, modification kits, spares and repair parts, construction, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor technical, engineering, and logistics support services, ground based flight simulator, and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $3.5 billion.
Implementation of this proposed sale will require multiple trips to Oman involving U.S. Government and contractor representatives for technical reviews/support, program management, and training over a period of 15 years.
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Replied on: 09/22/2011 12:48:26
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http://www.dsca.mil/PressReleases/36-b/2011/TECRO_11-39.pdf
The Taipei Economic and Cultural Representative Office in the United States has requested a retrofit of 145 F-16A/B aircraft that includes sale of:
A. 176 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radars.
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B. 176 Embedded Global Positioning System Inertial Navigation Systems.
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C. 176 ALQ-213 Electronic Warfare Management systems.
D. Upgrade 82 ALQ-184 Electronic Countermeasures (ECM) pods to incorporate Digital Radio Frequency Memory (DRFM) technology or purchase new ECM pods (AN/ALQ-211(V)9 Airborne Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare Suites (AIDEWS) with DRFM, or AN/ALQ-131 pods with DRFM)
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E. 86 tactical data link terminals.
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F. Upgrade 28 electro-optical infrared targeting Sharpshooter pods.
G. 26 AN/AAQ-33 SNIPER Targeting Systems or AN/AAQ-28 LITENING Targeting Systems.
H. 128 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems
I. 128 Night Vision Goggles.
J. 140 AIM-9X SIDEWINDER Missiles + 56 AIM-9X Captive Air Training Missiles + 5 AIM-9X Telemetry kits.
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K. 16 GBU-31V1 Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAMs) kits.
L. 80 GBU-38 JDAM kits.
M. 112 Dual Mode/ Global Positioning System Laser-Guided Bombs (16 GBU-10 Enhanced PAVEWAY II or GBU-56 Laser JDAM, 80 GBU-12 Enhanced PAVEWAY II or GBU-54 Laser JDAM, 16 GBU-24 Enhanced PAVEWAY III).
N. 64 CBU-105 Sensor Fused Weapons with Wind-Corrected Munition Dispensers (WDMD).
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O. 153 LAU-129 Launchers with missile interface.
P. Upgrade of 158 APX-113 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe Combined Interrogator Transponders.
Q. HAVE GLASS II applications.
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Also included are: ammunition, alternate mission equipment, engineering and design study on replacing existing F100-PW-220 engines with F100-PW-229 engines, update of Modular Mission Computers, cockpit multifunction displays, communication equipment, Joint Mission Planning Systems, maintenance, construction, repair and return, aircraft tanker support, aircraft ferry services, aircraft and ground support equipment, spare and repair parts, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor engineering, technical, and logistics support, test equipment, site surveys, and other related elements of logistics support. The estimated cost is $5.3 billion.
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Replied on: 09/22/2011 16:07:53
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Replied on: 09/23/2011 16:59:40
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Replied on: 09/24/2011 15:17:55
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Replied on: 09/24/2011 17:44:09
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Replied on: 01/26/2012 02:45:10
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[quote]Originally posted by hawkeye
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Replied on: 02/22/2012 10:51:51
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Replied on: 03/11/2012 17:27:57
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Because President Obama's team is from his Chicago gang, and didn't use people from Clinton administration....
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Replied on: 05/06/2012 10:01:41
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Replied on: 05/06/2012 14:04:38
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* 197.0 million USDs per fighter.
* 20.2 billion pounds or 31.5 billion USDs for 160 fighter.
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* 193.5 million USDs / 142.3 million Euros per fighter
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F-35:
* 156.7 million USDs per fighter.
* $385.0 billion USDs for 2,457 aircraft.
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* 101.3 million USDs per fighter.
* $11.55 billion USDs for 114 EA-18G.
* 2010 Pentagon's report: http://www.defense-aerospace.com/dae/articles/features/SAR_April2010_table.jpg
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* 93.4 million USDs per fighter.
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Replied on: 08/13/2012 22:47:29
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Replied on: 08/14/2012 00:32:06
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